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Found!! The Red Man Pictograph of Timpie Valley

Sunday, January 1, 2012 By TK421 34 Comments
I've seen only obscure references to the Timpie Valley "Red Man" pictograph. All I could surmise from a couple of pictures was that the pictograph was painted on the wall of small cave somewhere in this broad valley at the northern end of the Stansbury Range. Several searches of the valley over the last few years have yielded many small caves, but absolutely zilch in terms of Indian art.

My brother Eros has also independently been looking for the site for some time now. And once again, I got beat to the prize.

Eros told me he got just enough information out of a volunteer working at the Donner-Reed Museum in Grantsville to solve the puzzle. He also told me that he had walked all around, and right on top of the Red Man cave on a previous outing and even spotted the opening, but disregarded it because it looked too small. My dad said he could here Eros's victory yell as he sat on his porch in Erda some 18 miles away.

With directions from Eros, I visited the site with my dad on Thanksgiving day.

There is nothing like this pictograph in northwestern Utah that I'm aware of.



The entrance to the Red Man cave. The cave walls are Paleozoic limestone. The unusual roof is a very coarse limestone breccia cemented into place by Lake Bonneville. It's a little unnerving to be in the cave and looking up at large boulders hanging overhead--but the cement is very strong.



The Red Man pictograph in all her glory. Weapon, shield, head dress, and standing at over three feet high, it's a bit startling the first time you see it. The site has been documented, and an article written by Mark Stuart appears in a 1985 publication of the Utah Rock Art Association.



As an added bonus, there are a variety of solitary coral and crinoid fossils poking out of the limestone in the area.



While hiking up the hillside toward the cave, we noticed several unusual man-made features. At the base of a few slanted cliffs are large piles of rock that are leveled off on top. A few appear to have short walls. These are not natural scree or talus piles. I'm convinced someone hand-placed the stones. But why? And how old are they? Were the rock piles built by Indians and are they related to the pictograph? Or were they built by prospectors for some unknown reason (there is a sizable mining district at the head of the valley)?


An unusual stone pile at the foot of a cliff. From a distance they appear like artificial fill for a roadway, but there is no sign of a road or rail line in the area.
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34 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nice finds!

January 4, 2012 at 12:43 AM
Eric said...

Would you mind sharing the location for the rest of us glyph hunters? Please!?

March 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM
TK421 said...

I think there are enough clues in the post to figure it out. But if you really need x/y coordinates, provide me an email or something and I'll hook you up.

March 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM
Eric said...

Apparently my last comment didn't post?

Anyway-

eputnam@frontiernet.net

Thanks man!

March 22, 2012 at 7:53 AM
TK421 said...

Message sent.

March 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Anonymous said...

I would also love the location of this pictograph. Thanks! mshaw@yoursma.com

July 24, 2012 at 12:14 AM
TK421 said...

Message sent.

July 26, 2012 at 7:18 AM
Unknown said...

PLEASE PLEASE STOP GIVING OUT THE LOCATION OF RED MAN CAVE. PLEASE JUST LET PEOPLE FIND IT ON THEIR OWN. TIMPIE VALLEY IS ALL THE NEED TO KNOW. PLEASE STOP BEFORE IT IS VANDELIZED AND DEFACED. WE HAVE TRIED SO HARD FOR YEARS TO PROTECT IT SO PLEASE DONT GIVE LOCATION OR COORDINATES. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO FIND IT THEY WILL WITH SOME TIME AND WORK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. AND ITS THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE THE RESPECT TO PROTECT IT AS WELL. THANK YOU...

October 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Anonymous said...

Found the Pictographs on stansbury Island on 8/9/13 would love to find red man. I live in Tooele
brent2118@gmail.com

August 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Don Gilmore said...

C Stewart: My wife and I are disabled and would like to see things like this before we are dead. Not giving out the location is something a jerk would do. Most are not looking for this on these kind of sites to destroy them. And the ones that do find it and vandalize it will do so anyway. This kind of crap just gives them incentive to go looking for it and then destroy it.

December 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM
Jason said...

My dad would like to see this. He is 73 and in good enough health to still hike...for now. I promise to burn the coordinates after we see this treasure!

anastazi1975@hotmail.com

January 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM
Jennifer O'Rarden said...

Hoping to go tomorrow. Went hiking for the first time in arches last week and the kids have the hiking bug now! I figure after 15 years in Utah it's time to get outside!

January 24, 2014 at 8:37 PM
Dizk said...

My GF and I traveled from NY the end of December on Christmas to stay in SLC. My main quest there was to find the Red Man. We struck out on day one as he completely eluded us for several hours (around 5-6). After digging up enough info back at the hotel, we went headed back the next day....BINGO! We found him almost immediately - even recognozing the location from where we parked! Have fun on your search. We had a blast finding the Red Man!

February 6, 2014 at 2:45 AM
Unknown said...

I went out to find Redman I didn't even think about looking for other little tidbits LOL

February 28, 2014 at 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...

If you could send me coords that would be great. My grandpa wants to see these but is unable to hike for hours.

Jmaxj91@yahoo.com

March 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM
kerryg said...

Could you please send me the coordinates for Red Man? My family and I were hoping to find it this weekend. Thanks! Kerryg99@hotmail.com

August 28, 2014 at 1:27 PM
Noelle said...

Would really appreciate the GPS coordinates or at least an idea of where to park to get to red man. Have hiked the northern part of the island but have yet to drive/hike around the south. Thank you! I promise I won't share!

noellesharp1@gmail.com

March 2, 2015 at 1:06 PM
S said...

Can you send me the location? Pretty Please?

smj.walton@gmail.com

April 22, 2015 at 9:46 AM
Anonymous said...

please send me the coordinates...jobolobo@gmail.com I would love to show my kids this and appreciate its beauty...

May 23, 2015 at 10:17 AM
KC said...

I would love find this might a more help! Kcyazzie@gmail.com

September 9, 2015 at 1:26 PM
KC said...

I'd to where pics are on Stansbury island... Kcyazzie@gmail

September 9, 2015 at 1:30 PM
CJB said...

We would love to see this. organ.l.bridge@gmail.com. We are headed out to try to find it. Thanks for any help you can give us. Born and raised here and will protect all.

October 25, 2015 at 7:05 AM
CJB said...

ps: morgan.l.bridge@gmail.com. (missed a letter) Thanks!!!

October 25, 2015 at 7:06 AM
Greatamericandesert said...

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Thanks!

May 3, 2016 at 9:02 PM
Alene said...

Please help me find this more easily with my kids too so we don't spend forever wandering around. We are respectful outdoor lovers, myself a former archaeology student.

alene.cs@gmail.com

June 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM
Kyle said...

Thanks for your informative post. If you could provide GPS coordinates, I would really appreciate it. kyle.isaacson@utah.edu

March 18, 2017 at 6:34 AM
Anonymous said...

My son is visiting and we would love to go see it. Please message me how to find it. We don't have a lot of time. lisagrahamcracker@aol.com
Thanks!!

August 31, 2017 at 4:41 PM
Trisha said...

Could you email me directions. I know I was right there but I couldn't see the cave. Email me tesschelble@yahoo.com Thank you!

October 22, 2017 at 3:17 PM
Anonymous said...

PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT GIVE OUT COORDS FOR THIS. I WAS THERE TODAY AND FOUND TRASH, CLOTHING AND FIRE REMNANTS WITHIN THE CAVE, 2 FEET FROM AND UNDER THE PICTOGRAPH. LET PEOPLE FIND IT!! THE CLUES ARE THERE AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE TOO MANY DISRESPECTFUL WASTE PRODUCTS MAKING THEIR WAY TO ROCK ART SITES.

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Unknown said...

We were close today just missed him planning the next trip to find it this time with bug spray

May 26, 2019 at 7:07 PM
KC said...

It is worth the hunt.

January 9, 2020 at 12:22 PM
Unknown said...

Could you send me the location? We are headed out tomorrow 4/10/20. chadstokesslc@gmail.com. Thx. Great article.

April 10, 2020 at 10:32 PM
mjdmclane said...

Hiked out to this site yesterday, beautiful day to do it. Based on photos here and on another site I was able to figure out where it was though I was still unsure until I made it to the cave site below the red man cave and started to recognize things from photos. This hike is moderate, I have seen posts from older people here and wonder if they would be able to make it up the steep climb. The trail had a lot of loose dirt that made the steep climb slippery both up and down. I also explored the rock formation north of the caves and decided that it was not a road or wall. It looks like someone mined this rock face and the rocks below are the broken remains or tailing pile. There are some minerals between the slabs of dark gray rock but I could not figure out what they were after. I have been waiting all winter long for a warm day to do this. I enjoyed the hunt!

April 12, 2020 at 11:50 AM

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